{"id":51921,"date":"2020-05-28T17:52:38","date_gmt":"2020-05-28T12:22:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/vwo.com\/blog\/?p=51921"},"modified":"2026-04-15T11:17:34","modified_gmt":"2026-04-15T05:47:34","slug":"ux-research","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/vwo.com\/blog\/ux-research\/","title":{"rendered":"Lessons From The Trenches Of UX Research: An Interview With Brooke Baldwin"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>VWO\u2019s <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/webcast\/\">Masters of Conversion<\/a> webinar series recently featured Brooke Baldwin, UX Research Lead at WhatsApp Inc., and Aniruddh Jain from the VWO Marketing team.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>In this episode, Brooke talks about her passion for UX research, what her professional journey of more than two decades has looked like, and what these years have taught her about the human psyche.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/\">At VWO<\/a>, we believe that <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/blog\/cro-and-ux-match-made-in-heaven\/\">CRO and UX are a match made in heaven<\/a>. They have a common aim &#8211; to delight users with a smooth browsing experience so that business metrics go up. As part of the <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/conversion-rate-optimization\/\">CRO<\/a> industry, we also recognize that UX efforts complement and lends long term benefit to optimization. <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/blog\/googles-page-experience-update-2021-prioritize-ux-optimization-for-success\/\">Google\u2019s recent experience algorithm that rolled out this year also prioritizes website user experience as a critical factor for ranking<\/a>.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/customer-experience-optimization\/#guide-download\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Download Free: Customer Experience Optimization Guide<\/span><\/a><\/em><\/h2>\n\n\n\n<p>Therefore a session on UX research with Brookes left us with rich learnings and we thought that it prudent to summarize the key highlights and insights from the conversation for you:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-embed aligncenter is-type-video is-provider-youtube wp-block-embed-youtube wp-embed-aspect-16-9 wp-has-aspect-ratio\"><div class=\"wp-block-embed__wrapper\">\n<iframe loading=\"lazy\" title=\"Interview with WhatsApp&#039;s UX Research Lead Brooke Baldwin\" width=\"690\" height=\"388\" src=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/embed\/ADyKVArU8fs?feature=oembed\" frameborder=\"0\" allow=\"accelerometer; autoplay; clipboard-write; encrypted-media; gyroscope; picture-in-picture; web-share\" referrerpolicy=\"strict-origin-when-cross-origin\" allowfullscreen><\/iframe>\n<\/div><\/figure>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"Brooke\u2019s professional journey and her role at WhatsApp\" id=\"brookes-professional-journey-and-her-role-at-whatsapp\" data-menu-id=\"brookes-professional-journey-and-her-role-at-whatsapp\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong>Brooke\u2019s professional journey and her role at WhatsApp<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke started working with startups while she was in graduate school and has been in product design and research for a little over 20 years. While she initially had no master plan, she took up every opportunity that allowed her to learn and grow by working with people having diverse skill sets which amplified her innate skills.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>A few years ago, she took up an exciting role at Facebook, where she worked for their Ads- Emerging Markets team in London. It allowed her to travel all over the world, spend time and conduct research in emerging markets including India, Mexico, Brazil, and Indonesia, and learn more about countries she\u2019s always admired.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>About a year and a half later, she thought it was time to challenge herself and look for other exciting opportunities within the company. WhatsApp had just decided that introducing a User Research team made business sense, and she was offered the chance to be one of the first researchers in the team. She thought it was the perfect next step for her given WhatsApp is a huge product in countries she\u2019s always loved, been interested in, maybe have lived in, or have spent quite a bit of time in.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"What keeps Brooke motivated and excited about her work?\" id=\"what-keeps-brooke-motivated-and-excited-about-her-work\" data-menu-id=\"what-keeps-brooke-motivated-and-excited-about-her-work\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong><strong>What keeps Brooke motivated and excited about her work?<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke likes to learn new stuff and would get bored if she has to do the same thing over and over again. She feels UX Research is a job that continually challenges her and offers an immense amount of learning. After all, it\u2019s a job tailored for curious souls who are professional tinkerers.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>She adds that the experience of witnessing engineers, product managers, or data scientists from her team get their hands dirty in the field with her and see how users in downtown USA or Hong Kong perceive the utility of the countless WhatsApp features is education above par.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"UX Research for a Billion people\" id=\"ux-research-for-a-billion-people\" data-menu-id=\"ux-research-for-a-billion-people\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong>UX Research for a Billion people<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke highlights that WhatsApp never tries to move the fastest to get the shiny new feature out as a company. With over 2 Billion monthly active users, they must <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/feature-rollout\/\">take their time before any release<\/a> to ensure that the voices of users from key markets and countries are heard. Therefore, in WhatsApp\u2019s case, UX research typically involves much more than just traveling to one country for a week and talking to 20 users, for instance. She also talks about the fact that WhatsApp\u2019s usage could vary drastically across geographies and analyzing the differences and similarities among such a diverse user population is a very important part of her job.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"Evolution of UX Research over the decades\u00a0\" id=\"evolution-of-ux-research-over-the-decades\" data-menu-id=\"evolution-of-ux-research-over-the-decades\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong><strong>Evolution of UX Research over the decades\u00a0<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke recollects that when she first started, her role was titled \u2018Information Architect\u2019, and <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/usability-testing\/\">usability testing<\/a> was one of the foremost and primary responsibilities. Usability Study was one of the first things she learned where she\u2019d expose a group of people to a prototype or simply a design on a piece of paper and have them work their way through it, which would help her figure out whether or not the design worked.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Over time, she feels that the umbrella of UX has evolved to embrace many disciplines (such as psychology, sociology, anthropology, and behavioral economy) that have their methodological approaches but come together to offer immense value to the field. While this could also lead to disagreement and chaos, most professionals she\u2019s come across have been in favor of codifying and bringing a structure to their approaches. Over the years, working with experts from all these disciplines has truly widened her perspective and skillset in the discipline.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"When to use which UX Research methodology?\" id=\"when-to-use-which-ux-research-methodology\" data-menu-id=\"when-to-use-which-ux-research-methodology\" style=\"text-align:left\">When to use which <strong>UX Research methodolog<\/strong>y?<\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Formative research is used to generate new product ideas, while summative research is used to evaluate a designed product. Formative research is carried out before beginning the product development to understand users\u2019 pain points and figure out what exactly you can solve. Summative research, on the other hand, is used to test the efficiency and efficacy of your product design, before spending engineering bandwidth building it out entirely.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Another way to look at formative vs summative research \u2013 formative research is useful when the researcher\u2019s purpose is to fix users\u2019 problems with their product to make it more user-friendly. Formative testing should be conducted multiple times over a product\u2019s design lifecycle and should be perceived as a directional compass for \u201cwhat next\u201d in the product from a usability lens. For example, <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/glossary\/usability-testing\/\">usability testing<\/a> of the feel and control of a working prototype of an IoT device is a means of formative research.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Summative research is useful when a product\u2019s design has concluded. After completion, product owners typically try to understand what parts of a product are \u201chigh-utility\u201d and the ones that aren\u2019t. This research is best done after designing the product but before spending engineering time building it. An example of summative research is when 15-20 users test a mobile handset for features like battery life, gameplay experience, etc. before the device is launched to the public.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Brooke emphasizes that when looking for what to build next, you must carry out formative research, and to assess your product stickiness, summative research is the way to go.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<h2 class=\"wp-block-heading has-text-align-center\"><em><a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/customer-experience-optimization\/#guide-download\"><span style=\"text-decoration: underline\">Download Free: Customer Experience Optimization Guide<\/span><\/a><\/em><\/h2>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"How do new businesses get started with UX Research?\u00a0\" id=\"how-do-new-businesses-get-started-with-ux-research\" data-menu-id=\"how-do-new-businesses-get-started-with-ux-research\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong>How do new businesses get started with UX Research?\u00a0<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke advises new businesses not to hold back on UX research due to the lack of a large enough user pool. Whether it is your friends or family, you can get anyone who matches your typical user persona to review your product (or its prototype) and share their feedback. What\u2019s important is to pick people who you know will not shy away from telling you the truth.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Brooke stresses the fact that when you are starting, it is natural to want to hear just positive reviews about something you\u2019ve poured your heart and soul into. However, fighting that urge and the urge to tell people how to use your product is the hardest part. You need to fight the urge to intervene; let the user figure out your design by themselves and tell you their honest opinion.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Over time, Brooke has learned to embrace negative feedback as she feels it opens so many windows of opportunities for improvement.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"The more different we are, the more similar we are\" id=\"the-more-different-we-are-the-more-similar-we-are\" data-menu-id=\"the-more-different-we-are-the-more-similar-we-are\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong>The more different we are, the more similar we are<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke is a firm believer in the tenet that we have a lot more in common around the globe than we think. She realized that dreams of having a decent job, doing well for one\u2019s family, saving up enough for a nice vacation, being a respected member of the community, are universal no matter which part of the world you go to.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>She emphasizes that the hustle to do better for themselves and their loved ones is something she\u2019s found common in people from every country she\u2019s ever researched in. She finds such deeply universal traits uplifting and comforting.<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"How to make the most of a UX Research program\" id=\"how-to-make-the-most-of-a-ux-research-program\" data-menu-id=\"how-to-make-the-most-of-a-ux-research-program\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong><strong>How to make the most of a UX Research program<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke highlights that it\u2019s important to start soon, yet go slow and not expect instant or continuous success. While it\u2019s imperative to get feedback as frequently in the design life cycle as possible to confirm if your efforts are going in the right direction, you needn\u2019t test every single product or feature, every single time. Instead, carefully assess the feasibility of your research program and learn to embrace its imperfections.<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"Must-have tools in UX Researcher\u2019s stack\" id=\"must-have-tools-in-ux-researchers-stack\" data-menu-id=\"must-have-tools-in-ux-researchers-stack\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong><strong>Must-have tools in UX Researcher\u2019s stack<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>The primary tool that a UX researcher cannot do without is a natural sense of curiosity. Brooke feels that the urge to know and understand people and why they perform a certain task in a particular way is the single most important thing for any UX researcher.&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Brooke highlights that the best researchers she knows have a high degree of self-awareness. This means that the clarity that they have about their minds and biases is borderline frightening. They know that they see the world in a certain way, and also acknowledge that maybe everyone else doesn\u2019t.&nbsp;<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"Building UX for trust and authenticity\" id=\"building-ux-for-trust-and-authenticity\" data-menu-id=\"building-ux-for-trust-and-authenticity\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong><strong>Building UX for trust and authenticity<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>Brooke feels focusing on what causes distrust is easier and a more solvable problem. Her advice is to look for elements that cause distrust in the technology or the platform and eliminate those. Examples of elements that cause distrust would be unnecessary pop-ups in a site or app, unexpected charges being added during the time of checkout on an online store, or lack of a comprehensive and easy-to-understand privacy policy.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"Conducting UX Research in a niche market\" id=\"conducting-ux-research-in-a-niche-market\" data-menu-id=\"conducting-ux-research-in-a-niche-market\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong><strong>Conducting UX Research in a niche market<\/strong><\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Brooke advises that if it is unfeasible to test directly with your target persona, one can break down the roles and responsibilities of the person in question and then look for the next best representative or proxy who also meets the criteria.&nbsp;<\/li>\n\n\n\n<li>Another approach is Snowball Recruiting, wherein you can ask participants to connect you with their network where you are likely to find similar representatives.<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"Brooke\u2019s UX reading list\" id=\"brookes-ux-reading-list\" data-menu-id=\"brookes-ux-reading-list\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong>Brooke\u2019s UX reading list<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>The following are some books that <strong>Brooke seeks inspiration fro<\/strong>m, in her typical day at work:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Don\u2019t Make Me Think \u2013 Steve Krug<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>A guide on the principles of intuitive navigation and information design.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Rocket Surgery Made Easy \u2013 Steve Krug<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>A guide on a realistic approach to usability testing that anyone can easily replicate for their site, application, or other product.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Nudge \u2013 Richard Thaler &amp; Cass Sunstein<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>An easy-to-understand take on the brain\u2019s decision-making under uncertainty and designing environments that leverage how the brain functions.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n\n<ul class=\"wp-block-list\">\n<li>Thinking Fast And Slow \u2013 Daniel Kahneman<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n\n\n\n<p>Insights into how humans think, how they make judgments and decisions, and how to unlock the benefits of slow thinking.&nbsp;<\/p>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"js-cro-guide-subheading gtm_heading \" data-level=\"level1\" data-menu=\"VWO\u2019s views on UX research\" id=\"vwos-views-on-ux-research\" data-menu-id=\"vwos-views-on-ux-research\" style=\"text-align:left\"><strong>VWO\u2019s views on UX research<\/strong><\/h2>\n\n\n<p>UX research helps optimizers <a href=\"https:\/\/vwo.com\/plan\/hypotheses\/\">formulate better hypotheses<\/a>, prioritize ideas effectively, and understand user journeys better. 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